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Pet Peeve: Bad America-related Song Protocol

Permalink 09/12/09 01:01, by Jeff, Categories: Blather , Tags:

During the 7th inning stretch at the ball game tonight, we were directed to stand and remove our hats (the wife didn't recall hearing the latter, but agreed that many people did it, as well as some putting hand-over-heart) during the singing of God Bless America.

This is incorrect and needs to stop.

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I'm not against playing the song, and I'm definitely a patriot. I'm don't even have a problem with individuals choosing to stand at attention and salute, heck, whatever they feel like saluting.

But telling people to do so is not the right thing to do.

I'm against the practice only because it confuses some already confused citizens that sometimes don't know what to do about honoring presented flags or the national anthem anyway.

That people may want to stand and salute, and that is one thing. That we've been directed to do so is completely another thing. It adds to the confusion and seemingly compels some people to incorrectly sneer at those of us who know better or choose differently.

We weren't likewise directed to honor anyone or show patriotism when Proud to be an American was played a few minutes later. What about Born in the USA or Living in America? What should we do if we hear American Idiot? Where should we draw that line?

How about at the proper part of the presentation of the flag, anthem, and pledge?

Similarly, during a recent parade, every time a flag passed there were people who hopped to their feet, again some removing their hats, and some putting hand-over-heart. Fine; salute if you want to, but it again isn't the rule, so don't get all judgy if you see others choosing not to join you.

There's some debate over the first-or-every flag in a parade, but really, the first flag is presenting the rest of the parade, which may contain additional flags. The first one is the presentation, the rest are additional. But, if you want to do that, hey, you're free to do it. Just don't knock someone for not doing it.

You don't get to give anyone the stink-eye or a rib for lesser patriotism if they don't join you. I guess that's the crux of my peeve.

Well, except for the first flag, of course, that should be leading the parade. Still, don't berate someone for doing it "wrong." Instead, encourage and educate.

Or when the flag is presented at the baseball game (any organized event, really). And when the national anthem is sung, or pledge of allegiance is recited.

And if you happen to be present for a ceremonial flag raising or lowering at the ends of a day. Not like when I slip my flag into its mount on the porch in the morning, or when I bring it in at night. Not so ceremonial, no attention or saluting required; we don't play the anthem or say the pledge.

But when appropriate, by all means, join in. Feel free to sing along with the anthem, and recite the pledge. Remove your hat (must for men, strongly encouraged for women). Face the presented flag (there may be others around...but there should only be one in presentation). Stand at attention, or at least stop milling about. Citizens should salute; military in uniform should, and any veteran can, give a proper military salute, otherwise put your right hand over your heart or hold your hat at your left shoulder with their your hand (kind of same effect). If you're not a citizen, as in a foreign national, you don't have to salute, but you should face the flag at attention, or at least with respectful stillness, as we should at your flag presented at your event.

Of course, being the land of the free, you're encouraged to do this, not required (well, unless you're in the military and in uniform...then these are rules and you must comply).

I'm all for it at the right time, and pretty much against it at the wrong times.

That's about much it. Not too hard to get right.

So for an easy rule, at the start of the event or parade, when the flag is presented and (possibly) the national anthem is sung or played (not always done in parades), do the remove your hat hat, stand at attention, and salute thing to show your patriotism.

The rest is just free people doing freedom things. Or not.

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5 comments

Comment from: diana [Visitor]
dianaCitizens don't exactly salute, do they? They put their hands over their hearts (unless you're referring to that as a salute, but it's confusing abutted with the military comments).

Another tweak: military in uniform indoors stand at attention but don't salute. Military don't remove hats for the anthem, either.

I'm completely with you on the "God Bless America" thing. It's being used as a political tool, and too many people seem to view it as their national anthem. Is this how "E Pluribus Unum" was somehow replaced with "In God We Trust"?

d
09/12/09 @ 09:26
Comment from: Todd Meadows [Visitor]
Todd MeadowsI agree with you but I might have given them a break for patriots day.
09/12/09 @ 09:43
Comment from: Jeff [Member] Email
Yes, Diana, I guess I was summarizing "to strike the right pose" as "salute," borrowing the phrasing from one of the sites. To that end, military not in uniform and veterans can also salute (which does include keeping your hat donned), while civilians (and military not in uniform and veterans choosing not to salute) would remove hats and do hand-over-heart (or hat to shoulder). On those sites, the code doesn't clarify about military in uniform indoors, but I'll defer to your more informed position of the proper practice.

And, Todd, while I'm all for encouraging displays of patriotism and whatever other civic pride in which an individual wants to participate. I'm disappointed in the incorrect encouragement, or direction, which leads to the unjustified scowling. I think enough people don't know the "right thing" to do, and now have been misguided and some are now thinking they know this as the "right thing."

Even on Patriot's Day. Even on the Fourth of July. Or any other "high visibility" patriotism/flag day.
09/12/09 @ 10:57
Comment from: Todd Meadows [Visitor]
Todd MeadowsI'll try not to scowl when this happens. I'm just saying while probably not totally appropriate they had a good intention in doing it. It must be my scouting as a kid but it does bug me when people do some of it wrong. Every year our church has a missions conference and they stick our flag in the corner and put the foreign flags up on the altar - that bugs me too but I know the people that do it don't mean anything by it.
09/12/09 @ 22:48
Comment from: Jeff [Member] Email
I agree, Todd. The whole display thing is a whole other peeve. And I'm tolerant of people getting it wrong, but I think someone on a PA directing the masses should do a few minutes research, or someone should tell 'em they're instructing people to do the wrong thing.

One of my fondest anecdotal memories of serving in the USAF was when one of our beloved civilians actually jumped to her feet when "Proud to be an American" hit the "stand up" bit. You go girl! But had we been directed to do so, I would have been very disappointed in the director.

And, Diana, after thinking about it more, wouldn't unarmed uniformed military be hatless indoors anyway? As such, they'd just stand at attention and not salute, right? It's been a while, but I recall some general guideline of only saluting when you're donning a cover; but I think that may have been a training aid to let us know when to salute officers and not the flag or anthem.

At the Metrodome I see some uniformed miliaary with and some without covers. I'm not sure whether there's just some ambiguity about whether inside the dome is truly "inside" or that the military atmosphere is that relaxed around here (as you may recall the soldier walking in the skyway be-bopping to his music).

Certainly it'll be clear next year when the Twins play outdoors!
09/13/09 @ 10:12
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